Two great tastes that taste even better together. Cannabis and music go together like peanut butter and jelly. Deadhead Larry Mishkin joins Dan Humiston to talk about how he and his fellow cannabis professional co-hosts and their guests discuss the latest cannabis news and "Nerd-Out" about The Grateful Dead on the Deadhead Cannabis Show Produce by PodCONX https://podconx.com/guests/larry-mishkin https://podconx.com/podcasts/deadhead-cannabis-show
Two great tastes that taste even better together.
Cannabis and music go together like peanut butter and jelly. Deadhead Larry Mishkin joins Dan Humiston to talk about how he and his fellow cannabis professional co-hosts and their guests discuss the latest cannabis news and "Nerd-Out" about The Grateful Dead on the Deadhead Cannabis Show
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[00:00:00] Dan Humiston: All right, everyone. Welcome back. Thanks for joining us. We have a great show today, podcast or Larry Michigan is here to talk about his podcast, the deadhead cannabis show. Larry. Welcome to the show.
Larry Mishkin: Thanks, Dan. It's a pleasure to be here.
Dan Humiston: Yeah, cannabis and the grateful dead that's like peanut butter and jelly two great tastes that tastes great together
I think the deadhead cannabis show does the best job at dispelling. A couple of stereotypes, one. It people who smoke marijuana are lazy, potheads, stoners, never amount to anything. And the second is hippies who filed a grateful dead. They're just wasting their life. You've been a successful attorney for over 30 years.
You're happily married. You have two adult children and you have a house with a white picket fence. Larry, how long have you smoked marijuana? And how many times have you seen the grateful dead live in concert?
Larry Mishkin: a lot in a lot.
, I guess that's the politically correct way to answer that question. Look, you raise a really [00:01:00] interesting point and the point is this, that there was a whole group of us who, back when we were in college and, you know, didn't really know much of what we were doing other than the fact that we like to go to grateful dead shows and really be a part of all of that.
And we all grew up. And,when we grew up, I think that was so neat for all of us. Is that the dad really, it wasn't just one of these, well, I'm doing it while I'm in high school and now it's over and done with it really resonated with all of us in a way that kept us connected to them and kept us tied in with it.
So that even as we got older and the dead got older and Jerry died and they came back in a hundred different, versions of who they were. , there's always this sense of community. If you meet a fellow deadhead anywhere in the world, it's like, oh good. You instantly have that common bond.
And I could say the same thing. Certainly. I think about, , people who smoke marijuana. I think that that group has certainly gotten larger over time. Thanks to. Them taking marijuana out of the closet. And finally acknowledging that it's something that adults are, should be free to use. Just like they're free to drink alcohol if they want.
But you know, there's a lot of people out there who can really connect on [00:02:00] that level. And there's a certain degree of trust or camaraderie that you form with people who, you know, are like-minded. , in their view of these kinds of things.
Dan Humiston: Yeah.
, I think, there's people in all walks of life that not only enjoyed cannabis, but also enjoyed the grateful dead. And there's a lot of successful people. And I just wonder if that type of person gravitates to that type of music and that type of lifestyle.
Larry Mishkin: You know, it's a good question.
And I think it has to do more with, Just kind of being a, I don't want to say a free thinker because , that's not fair to say that people who aren't Deadheads aren't freethinkers too, you know, Jerry said that.
There's something more to it all than the regular rep. Right. There has to be something a little bit more out there. And when you go to a dead show, I think you kind of feel like you're experiencingthat little bit extra, and you're doing it within a community of people who are all there more or less for the same reason.
And on those nights, boy, when they really hit , that high note, or they really are kicking on all cylinders. There's nothing like it. And sure most of the people are on drugs, but I think that for many people, that concert is like a drug itself. And if you're there on the right night [00:03:00] at the right time, and the moon is shining and Jerry's up on stage jamming and they remembering all the words and they're, you know, pulling out some special tunes that they haven't played in a few years, just to let you know how much they love you.
I can still go back and talk to people about a particular show that we were at 40 years ago. And we talk about it. Like it happened yesterday, you know, it was like, oh my God, we were there in the garden. And they played Saint Stephen. And how amazing was that? And it was like, yeah, that was. 40 years ago,
. And, and I think that for many of us, once we got to the professional level, , when you're out there in the world as an attorney, you have no idea if the man or woman sitting across the desk from you representing the other side, They're going to be a decent person.
They're going to be a jerk. Are you going to be able to have some, any level of communication with them? And by God, if you find out that they're a deadhead, that gives you immediate common ground and a sense of, well, they must be pretty cool. So let's see what we can do to work this out. And, , we don't have to be jerks and they don't have to be jerks and that kind of a thing.
, certainly. I think in the world of people who smoke marijuana right away, it gives you common ground.
And I've said this on our show a lot, and I [00:04:00] really believe this, that. , we live in a very fractured society today, politically, and, , on our show, we try to stay away from the political issues except as how they relate to marijuana legislation and things like that. But we can't deny the fact that, out there right now, there's, there's pretty much 50% of the country that sees things one way and 50% that sees it the other way.
And it's gotten to the point where it gets kind of scary sometimes and people you've known for a long time, family members, friends, acquaintances, teachers, students, whoever it might be. You find yourself sitting down and talking and evidently you find yourself.
Going to that political issue you're starting to get into this conversation and everybody's starting to dig in their heels a little bit and
and the back of your brain, you're thinking, I gotta figure out a way to spiral out of this thing. And the best thing that I found. Did you pull a joint out of your pocket and the minute you do that, the guy on the other side, instead of attacking whatever, he was just attacking you on, it's going to stop and say, whoa, wait a second.
Where's that from? Where'd you get that? What, what kind of wood kind of weed you have in there? I don't know. Well, let's spark it up and find out together [00:05:00] and you know, within five minutes, you know, You get to that point where it's, what were we talking about it? I don't know, whatever, just pass that back over here, , throw inside two of Dick's pigs volume, whatever.
And, , there's just instinct common ground , I think that it's a great, , Peacemaker, if you will, people on both sides of the aisle, like marijuana , it has nothing to do with your political persuasion. And, you know, Tying it in with the grateful dead is a great way , to really experience both of them and kind of their peak capacity,
and, , I think on our show, that's just , the theme that keeps coming back over and over,
Dan Humiston: you know, and I think so many people in the cannabis industry, which shouldn't surprise people that are really big Deadheads. And that's one of the reasons why your show has been so popular because it's this, sense of community. It's a safe place for people to go to nerd out on grateful, dead, and cannabis, and just have a good time.
Now, I know you brought a track along for today's show , from one of your episodes. Maybe you can cue this up for the audience, , and I'll play it for everybody.
Larry Mishkin: Yeah, sure. We are [00:06:00] really, really lucky. We've been able to really tap into some amazing talent through a number of different channels. My co-host Jim Marty is so well known and respected in the cannabis industry.
Really? Maybe one of the very first accountants, willing to sign a tax return , for cannabis businesses. And he was doing this years before. Even the rest of us even knew that, medical cannabis or anything like that was such a thing. And he's developed such a strong following and reputation in the industry that he's a magnet , for quality guests.
, and, Rob hunt. Another guy who's a very well known and respected in this industry, certainly on the financial and the investment side. But, just the, as a person as well, and he brings. An absolute, incredible knowledge, but also some really tremendous connections.
And sometimes these connections just kind of wind up overlapping with each other and then, you know, true dead fashion. You wind up in a really exceptional place. And, not too long ago, we wound up in that place,with a gentleman named Michael Klein, , although he's very, [00:07:00] very successful and well-known in the cannabis industry for a lot of the work that he's done with soils and things like that to really enhance grows and.
Increased crop yields and turpines and all of this great stuff that I can't possibly hope to explain, but he was able to very easily. But one of the things that made Michael Klein so special and unique to us is that he just happens to be best friends with Bob Weir. And so, that opens up a whole new avenue of things.
And while we always try to be respectful of our guests and, , , we don't want to be one of these. Oh my God. Tell us what it's like, to sit down and have a barbecue with Bob in his backyard. , there was one particular area that we really wanted to tap into with him.
And that is the Sweetwater in, in mill valley, California. And the Sweetwater has kind of become the place. , for the Titans of the rock and roll world. And we're talking about guys like Santana, and certainly various members from the grateful dead and, , Elvis [00:08:00] Costello has been known to show up there in play, and just a whole host of people.
. And a few years ago,Michael Klein and Bob were, were part of a group that purchased, the Sweetwater in. I think in the clip you're going to play, he's explaining to us, what makes it so great
and when you listen to it and you just hear him almost like casually, name-dropping the people from the dead community, that those of us who, have really followed the in. And as you said nerded out on all of this, we've heard of these guys, and we've heard of these sound texts and we've heard of these people.
And, and when he says, well, these are the guys who are coming in and fixing my house. That would be like saying, yeah, I want to build a baseball field in my backyard. And,here comes Hey Karen or Willie Mays to build it for me. I mean, the legends who come in and all of a sudden, the Sweetwater and it's the place to be.
So why don't you go ahead and
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Michael Klein: it was really a community asset. I've got 20 members of the community who really cared and understood what it? meant and they, they put up money and, but we had this incredible team. We had Cutler who [00:09:00] was. Jerry's engineer. We had whiz Leonard who was the head of sound at Skywalker ranch, but also the engineer on Europe, 70 do we had great community content tractors, and everybody just did a phenomenal job.
So it turned into a room that just sounds great. We have high definition video, and it has great sight lines and it's all you can ask for the musicians, like love the way it sounds.
Larry Mishkin: Okay. That's like a who's who in the world , of dead tech, , and when you got these guys who have spent their whole life, , tending to the grateful, dead, willing to take some time off to zoom over here and help Bobby and Michael and his partners, , Get this room set up.
It's no wonder that when people walk in it's magic and I can say from firsthand, I was out there once and saw further, , play a few shows out there and further was great, but an opportunity to see a band like that, that had been playing in 5,000 and 10,000 seat venues, all of a sudden in a bar that maybe holds a couple of hundred [00:10:00] people, was really quite an experience.
Dan Humiston: Yeah,
That's kind of. Similar to your show is that you just never know who's going to drop in and you never know the people that drop in the stories that they're going to tell, like Michael Klein, he just dropped some bombs on us that we were like, holy cow, I didn't see that when common, but , that's the beauty of the debt at cannabis show.
And you really got tostop in and listen to the show because you just never know who's going to show up. Right.
Larry
Larry Mishkin: never know who's going to show up. , and just as importantly, it's almost like the grateful dead in the sense that we think we start out knowing what we're going to talk about and we kind of do, but inevitably we wind up.
Taking a slight turn somewhere as something pops up in the middle of a show. Oh, well you think that's a good Stella blue? Well, we haven't talked yet about the Stella blue from, and all of a sudden we're five years off in another direction in another city in another time. And deeply engaged in this conversation that, really wasn't anywhere near where we started out or really kind of what we thought we were going to be getting into.
But yet it turns into such a wonderful conversation that, we're [00:11:00] excited just to keep going with it. And that's what I think is fun. If you like the grateful dead,and , if you listen to the grateful dead at all, then I think you'll feel very comfortable. And at home , you don't have to be a nerd as we like to call ourselves in order to fully appreciate it.
But if you do like the grateful dead, and if you really do like that, then you'll truly appreciate the levels that we get to.
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Dan Humiston: Yeah. And also for people that are in the cannabis industry, you'll appreciate it too, because we talk lot of current topics, we dive into those and a lot of our guests are cannabis people. Now there's the deadhead cannabis show airs every Monday and it's on all the major podcast sites, including pod connects where you can apply to be a guest, if you want to be a guest and, , Definitely stop and take a listen to it.
Especially if you're in the cannabis industry or , in the jam band
scene. You'll really enjoy it. Larry. We could go on this, which we do on your show for a lot longer, but we got to wrap things up. So thanks for being on the show today.
Larry Mishkin: thank you so much for having me and letting me talk about this. You know, every few extra minutes that I get to talk about, the debt is just bonus time for me. [00:12:00] and I hope people come and listen to our show.